Chapter 4
A Verbatim Recall Session
On April 11, 1982, Easter Sunday, about 30 people gathered for a special group session during which I followed my Guides’ suggestion to try a public recall into the time period of Jesus’ life which we were commemorating with the Easter observances. The following is taken verbatim from the tape recording made of the session. I gave an introduction to acquaint the newcomers to the group with background material that, hopefully, would make the experience more meaningful for them. As with so much orally transmitted information, the written form loses many of the emotional overtones. Therefore it is suggested that the reader attempt to visualize and feel the scenes described as well as see the words upon the page.
A Past-Life Recall from the Time of Jesus
Jeanette recalling lifetime of “Beth”
4-11-82 Easter
Jeanette: (in explanation to many newcomers in group) I do not leave the body and let Beth speak through me. It is not a case of possession by Beth. Beth is the character that we will be talking with tonight. It is Jeanette that is seeing what Beth saw and reporting it. Sometimes I stand off at a distance and look at it. Sometimes I enter in, feel it, as that person. It can be done either way and it switches at times. But it does filter through my mind.
Part of what I am trying to say -- the reason I am trying to say this, is that you are going to see a very different picture than what our orthodox churches have taught us, I believe. I have not seen what we are going to see tonight either, so it will be new for me also, but from what I have seen of the lifetime prior to Holy Week and what I have been led to expect tonight, the picture of Jesus may be different from that picture which you have now.
I do want to tell you a little bit about the background and how I came to know about this. I think I can fill it in faster than if we have Beth try to do it. I had a past-life reading from Dr. Loehr and Dr. John C. Daniels (he’s the one on the other side who does it) about two years ago and this is quoted from that reading. I asked if I had known Franklin Loehr who was the channel for the reading.
“Yes, they have known each other at two crucial times. They were together on the March with Moses, the Exodus. She was in the masculine expression -- one of the leaders of fifty. And they were both acquainted with Jesus in the 1st Century AD. At that time she was in the feminine and rather purposefully so. Not being in the masculine, there were certain things she could not do for him and such. But being in the feminine, her intuitive faculties were sharper to receive his teachings and receive him on inner levels as well as outer levels and to perceive him on several levels. Jesus knew this and they could look at each other and he would speak with his eyes. But he also spoke with words on more than one occasion and that put a song in her heart. Jesus owns her in a way. She is a soul who has been specifically put together to be one of the Lightbearers -- those serving the Christ. And she has of her own will given herself to him. Now this is not to be understood in too romantic a way. It is simply to say that her commitment is deep and her nature is right for use in his service. These are the two essential times. Yes. They are cosmic cousins -- that is Jeanette and Franklin.” (Other people, late arrivers, were welcomed.)
This reading (by Dr. Loehr) was my first intimation that I had been alive at the time of Jesus; that I had had an incarnation at that time. So of course it was exciting to me and I began to wonder about it. I did know how to do psychography or past-life recalls at that time. But I was not able to recover anything that seemed viable until last Christmas (1981).
At that time I was able to get into the lifetime in a way that was satisfactory to me that I was getting something valid. Then between Christmas and New Years, two friends were here from North Carolina, one of whom had had the same kind of information. She had been alive during the time of Jesus but she did not know anything more about it. She did not do past-life recalls so the mutual friend asked if I would go back and see if I could find the place of Mary Frances in the lifetime of Jesus.
This I was glad to do as it let me get into the lifetime with a conductor that knew what she was doing and could lead me. I had done the first one by myself and that is rather difficult -- a little more difficult than with a conductor. At any rate we got back into the lifetime -- I asked to go into the lifetime of Jesus to see the one I now knew as Mary Frances. I found her as a young man who was a good friend of Mary and Martha, the younger sisters of Lazarus. All right, I had already placed Beth, my personality, in the household of Lazarus -- I wasn’t real sure in what capacity at that time. Well, I’m still not real sure, but we will get into that in a moment.
This young man was a business man with his father. They ran a stockyard. Well, I think of a stockyard as being for cattle and this was for sheep. But they had a rather conglomerate business near the Lazarus home. He was very familiar with Jesus, loved him, followed him, etc. We picked up into that lifetime at the time that Jesus was returning to the Lazarus home after Lazarus’ death. The young man had been one of those who had come in when Lazarus had died, helped to prepare the body for burial, carried it into the tomb, and helped to roll the stone in front of the tomb.
Now when he saw Jesus coming, he ran with others in the neighborhood and came to the home about the same time Jesus got there. When Jesus said “Move the stone away!” I saw three men moving it and knew which one was Mary Frances. This woman -- who was then the man -- you understand that this gets a little complicated at times -- at any rate this young man was the one who was nearest to Lazarus when he walked out of that tomb! The waves of emotions coming from that man were terrific. This chair where I am sitting was over there and Mary Frances was over here and they tell me that the tears were streaming down her face during the entire time because it was so very meaningful to her.
He was the closest as Lazarus walked out of the tomb; he was the first to touch him; and he helped to take those cloths off which he had put on; and he KNEW that man had been dead! And he was now alive!
We have gotten into the lifetime a number of different times. One time was when Mary, Joseph, and the Babe were on their way to Egypt to escape Herod. Beth tells us that the -- usually they are pictured with just that one donkey as they make their way to Egypt. Beth says that‘s a lot of balderdash. There is no way they could have made the trip by themselves. In their part of the caravan there were even seven camels and four donkeys or vice versa and a good many people on foot. They then joined a larger caravan.
Mary and Joseph were a part of the Essenes and they were never in this thing alone. There was a lot of support; a big group working with them. Those of you who are familiar with Edgar Cayce’s work may know that he tells of the group of girls who were in training in what we might call a monastery except that it was not sexually segregated -- it was a training center for the Essenes. That was where Mary was at the time when she was chosen and she was approximately nine or ten years old at that time. [Note from Jeanette when typing this -- have reread Cayce’s stuff since then and he says 12 or 13 years old. I’m not positive but she (Mary) certainly seemed younger than that to me.]
Beth was one of those girls also. She was a few years older than Mary and we have gotten a few additional details from her that Cayce has not given us Beth and a few of the other girls -- the entire 12 did not remain. But about 8 of them remained to go through this period of years with Mary. Otherwise she would have been one lonely little girl all by herself. These others remained in training with her. Beth then became one of the Essene teachers and leaders. Lazarus (a part of the story never given to us in the Bible, but I believe that Cayce does (several other psychics do) and it has been verified in this which I have been getting) was one of the teachers of the Essenes. One of those who helped to teach Mary and also helped to teach Jesus. Jesus received a great deal of extra training outside of that which was given in the regular school and the regular synagogue.
He and John both did. One of the other scenes that we have seen through Beth’s eyes is the time at what would now be called the Bar Mitzvah -- I don’t know how much it resembled today’s ceremony but it was at that age. The time at which John and Jesus were, for the first time in their lives, told specifically who they were and what was expected of them. They had always known that they were special, of course, there was no way they could get out of knowing that. The extra teachers and such were evidence of that but they were not told the story until they were about 12 years old and it was interesting to me that Joseph was the one that was selected to tell them.
Joseph was considerably older than Mary. Mary was just a teen-ager when she had Jesus. Joseph was an older man, chosen by the Essenes to be the protector, father, teacher, to fulfill this very, very important position. He was the one, then, chosen to tell the boys. Beth, Lazarus, Elizabeth (John’s mother), Mary, and Joseph were there at that time.
Those are the principal times, I think, that we have been into this lifetime in recall sessions and I had wondered for quite some time why I had not seen the crucifixion, the resurrection, and such scenes. I had thought that perhaps Beth was not there. But this week my guides told me that they had been holding it for this time and that we were to do it on Easter Sunday and see it through Beth’s eyes. A little more background information that we need so that we can understand that which Beth is going to be telling us because she sees it quite differently than the Bible, in a sense, presents it. Very differently actually from how most people of her day saw it.
Beth was one of the knowledgeable leaders of the Essenes, one of the teachers. They knew and we know from the Biblical story that Jesus was able to raise someone who was just dying -- to save them; to raise someone who had been dead a few hours; then to raise someone who was dead for quite a few hours -- was ready for burial. But before they could risk his life, they HAD to know that he could raise a body that had been dead for three days!
Lazarus agreed -- in fact he volunteered -- to die and to truly die and see if Jesus could raise him. Now if Jesus had not been able to raise Lazarus, he would not have gone to Jerusalem for the Passover in this particular year. He would have studied more, he would have perfected himself (in terms of knowledge -- not in terms of the life that he led -- that was already perfect or he could not have been Christed) but he would still have had to study more so that he was able to bring his own body back.
So Beth and Lazarus -- she was either his mistress or his wife, I don’t know which. I don’t particularly care. They loved each other very devotedly and dearly. They, the three of them -- Jesus, Lazarus, ad Beth (probably Mary, but she wasn’t there at this particular time in the recall) were the only ones who knew that this was a test. Lazarus contracted a pneumonia-type disease. Either Lazarus or Beth could have cured him, but they did nothing and LET him die. They let him go through the agony of the entire death process so that it was all totally natural -- like any other body would go through. He DID die and was buried.
Beth was not able to talk to anyone about it. Even his sisters, Mary and Martha, who were 15 and 17 years younger than Lazarus, did not know that this was a test. They could not understand why Jesus did not come and save Lazarus. If you are familiar with the Bible story, you know that Jesus cried. Now perhaps you understand why. This was not just the death of a friend. This was the proof of what a TRUE friend was willing to do for him. Lazarus did not want to die. He was not ready to die. And he could be dead, and dead-dead. If Jesus couldn’t bring him back, it was too bad. There was nothing else they could do about it so it was a real gift of friendship. This was what it was that brought the tears to Jesus’ eyes.
So you see that Beth knows when Jesus goes to the Passover in Jerusalem that he is to die and she also knows that he is to come back in three days because this is what the whole thing was all about. So she is going to see this whole thing very differently from the people who did not know this, did not understand this. Because very few of them did understand it. Even when they were told, they did not understand that which had been said. So realize this when we get in with Beth -- that the things that she may say -- I don’t know what she is going to see or say, but I do know that she will be seeing it differently than we have been taught through our Christian churches and than most people understand it now or then.
We do always enter these sessions with a prayer because any time you open yourself psychically you need to protect yourself with God’s presence and God’s protection.
Mother-Father God, as we come to thee tonight, we are in specially thankful moods for that which we will receive, for that which we have received through the centuries from thee. We ask especially for thy guidance and direction tonight that we may get that which is right and proper and true. Let it come as untainted by my mind as possible. Let it be that which is true and that which you would have us to know. We ask in Jesus’ name in the full meaning of that phrase. Amen.
Roger: OK, imagine a cloud coming down next to you. Step on it. The cloud starts to rise, slowly at first. Keeps on going up, up, higher, higher. Finally it goes through a layer of clouds that obscures the world below you. You are way up there and the world is turning under you. Time is moving backwards. It keeps on moving. You will start down and come down in a time when you knew Jesus, with you as Beth, coming down about the time of the crucifixion. You are coming down now, the cloud passes through the other layer of clouds, coming down and soon you will be on the earth. Let me know when your feet touch something solid.
Jeanette: OK. I am down in a cobblestone courtyard, patio. All right, we are at Lazarus’ place in the sort of a garden that is just outside the home. It would seem that Jesus, Lazarus, Beth, Mary -- I guess just the four are there for a conference. Are making their plans. They have decided that Jesus will go to the Passover this year. That it is time for the completion of their mission, of their work.
This is not an easy time for any of them because they do know to a certain extent at any rate what it is that Jesus will be facing. I don’t know if they have all the details of the trial and that sort of thing, but they certainly know in general, the problems that he is going to have. So this is in a sense their farewell and their final planning. The disciples are not to be told. They have been told allegorically, in parables, etc. but they will not be told specifically, for several reasons. They are being tested, their faith, their belief, their understanding is being tested but also -- how shall I put it -- they have to react, for the sake of the population then and for the people through the centuries -- it is important for them to react as people who have lost their leader.
All right, we know today that there have been all sorts of rumors and ideas for the two thousand years since then that he did not die. That Jesus did not die. That he was only in a coma and that this is how he was able to come back, etc. One of the most convincing reasons, one of the most convincing bits of evidence concerning his death, was the reaction of the disciples. Their total bewilderment, their lack of leadership, their inability to function together with any kind of plan for the future until after his resurrection. They could not have -- their actions later were also the best evidence for the resurrection. The men could not have changed in the way that they did if they had not truly had an experience such as the resurrection of Christ would have provided.
So the testing time for these men was important and if they had truly understood what was going to happen, then they would have been on a different level and they were not granted this knowledge. Now let’s see if we can follow them then as they proceed with this week because this conference was held even prior to Palm Sunday.
Lazarus was one of those who stays close to Jesus on that grand entry on Palm Sunday. Even though he too knows that Jesus has no intention of becoming the kind of King that these people are asking for as he comes into the city and they proclaim him as their messiah. They are thinking in terms of the King who returns to the throne of David and becomes a King who would drive out the Romans and would lead the Israelites, the Jewish people, back to a nation and a place of strength that they had once had.
Lazarus walks very close, in fact most of the time, his right hand is on the donkey, on the -- it wasn’t a donkey. It was a burro, a jackass. His right hand is there because he is sending much power. Lazarus was a very powerful man psychically, a very learned man. He is helping to keep the burro under control also, but in addition he is giving strength and love to Jesus to help him see this whole thing through. Because remember that they knew pretty much what was going to happen.
He stays pretty close at hand all week. The women are always on the fringes for various reasons -- one, the culture of the day. But Mary, his mother, stays just as close, getting as much contact with him, as she can. Because she does know what is coming. [It is obvious from the voice that Jeanette -- Beth? -- is very close to tears.] This is going to be an emotion-filled time. It cannot be helped. I am not sure I would want to ‘help’ it.
Even the throwing of the money-changers out of the temple is a part of the total frustration that is being felt throughout this time. And of course he now has the ‘go-ahead’ to do that kind of thing because he knows that he cannot hurt his cause anyway. There is now nothing that can be lost by such actions and it does make his statement concerning the use of his Father’s temple.
The Last Supper was prepared by several of the women connected with the group. It was shared as the pictures give us -- the principal part of it was shared only by Jesus and the disciples. The others were not included because this was the disciples high time and high experience. They were, for this time, Jesus’ family. Mary understood this and while she would have liked to have been with him, she knew that was not the proper pattern.
If you are not familiar with the Jewish Passover, then perhaps you do not realize that it is an extremely important family night and normally you are with your family. So that was a part of the declaration that was being made when it was Jesus and the 12 disciples.
Did Jesus know that Judas was the one that was going to betray him? What did he know about this? (These questions were simply asked by Jeanette partly as the leading conductor would normally have been doing.) He did know. This was a part of what was discussed at that meeting at Lazarus’ house. Judas was not an evil man. He was a member of the Zealots who were a political-religious group -- very definitely wanting to reclaim the throne of David for a Jewish King, chafing terribly under the Roman rule. It was their hope, their expectation really, that Jesus would, when he was arrested, declare himself and they knew what kind of miracles he could do. They knew there was no problem whatever in him getting away from the Romans, the Jewish Sanhedrin, or anyone else if he so desired. They, of course, expected him to desire his freedom, therefore to escape, to do one or several miracles which would then declare to the world who he was.
This was the reason that Judas reacted the way that he did following the Crucifixion -- because he then, of course, understood what he had done and that -- he could not face it. He certainly did not do it for the money. This was immaterial to him. Jesus knew that he was the one who would do it. There is one passage from the scriptures which has always confused me and I will see if we can get a clarification now. At the time of the Last Supper, he tells them that one of them will betray him. They ask him who it is and he says, “The one to whom I give the bread that I will dip into the sauce” and he dips the bread and hands it to Judas according to the Bible. This has been said and done in front of the other disciples and yet it says that they do not understand what it means.
Let’s see if we can at this point, find out what it was. I will say that evidently this is coming to Beth or to Jeanette, but I would think to Beth through Jeanette, telepathically, because she was not in the room at the time of the Last Supper. But if we see it, we will get it telepathically. I see him dipping it into the bowl and handing it to Judas who is on the opposite side of the table to Jesus’ left. Jesus is in the center on the long side of the table with six on each side -- it would be seven on the side with him.
Why do the others not hear? Why do they not understand? [Said actually as questions by Jeanette.] Evidently it is because he has, shall we say, blinded them -- closed their eyes and ears to that which is said and done so that they will not understand, at the present time, what is happening.
Now as they go to the Mount of Olives,where are the others? The disciples, the eleven, go with him. He goes to pray. This is the time, if you remember your Biblical story, in which he leaves them, asking them to pray, while he goes on farther into the grove to be alone to wrestle with this, to make his final decision. Because he does still have free will. He could, even at this point, have turned aside if he had so desired.
The disciples go to sleep and he is left truly alone without their incarnate support and help -- truly alone as an incarnate. But even then there are incarnates who are with him in spirit. Mary definitely was. There were evidently about five of the Essene leaders -- I do not get the names of the others at this point -- who know what was going on and they were holding a prayer meeting. I don’t know what they would have called it, but that is what it amounted to.
They were in prayer. They were in the downstairs part of the house where the Last Supper was served in the Upper Room. The women prepared the meal and it was served, then they went into prayer because they knew what was happening up there and what would be happening later. They were giving psychically, spiritually, their essence to Jesus to see him through this path. They knew that Jesus was a man. He had been Christed which meant that he had reached the stage of perfection that the Christ could become manifest rather than only a seed shall we say, as the Christ is in each of us.
But they also know that Jesus could still turn back. He would lose horribly if he did, but he still could. He still would suffer the agonies of a man if he went through with it. So either way he needed their prayers. They remain in prayer but all of them are quite psychically tuned to him and they do not follow the crowd as Jesus is arrested, taken before Pilate, Caiaphus, etc. They remain in prayer and get the story telepathically. They, therefore, know when it is definitely decided that he will be crucified and they start for Golgotha.
The Essenes leave the home then and hurry. They have a little farther to go than he does and they go as rapidly as they can to be there and to join those who follow with him as he carries the cross. They are mentioned in the Bible as a part of that crowd because they did get there and follow with him. They can do nothing physically, but they are doing a great deal psychically.
Let me go as deeply as I can that I may get this -- wiping out as much as I can of the pictures that I have seen and the way it has been presented through the years. There is conflicting information that is given to us so perhaps we can, through Beth’s eyes, see some of it more clearly.
(Long pause) It is important for us to realize first, that crucifixion was not an unusual way for them to bring death at that time. It was a very common way. There were many who were crucified for various reasons. There was a large group just the day before. I do not know how many, but I can count ten crosses. There were probably many more.
Why were there only three on this date? Or were there only three? Yes there were, as far as I can tell, only three. This is to fulfill prophecy. I am not sure what the prophecy was, but it was to fulfill prophecy. The reason that was given, or that they understood at that time, not knowing that it was managed from the other side, was because of the Jewish holidays that were coming up. The Romans did not respect those holidays, but they had enough trouble with those ‘troublesome Jews’ as it was and they did not do things that would deliberately rouse their anger. So they did not have the mass executions on this date because it would have run considerably later before it would have been all completed.
So the other two -- well, the first man to be nailed to the cross, of the three, Beth had never seen before as an incarnate, to her knowledge, but intuitively, from the soul level, she recognizes him and realizes that this is a cosmic cousin of hers. A close cosmic family member of Jesus and Mary, who has come in, incarnated, knowing that this time was coming and had lived a life which had kept him totally out of touch with Jesus but such a life that he would be arrested, convicted, and crucified at the same time. This was more of the support that was being brought in from the cosmic realm for Jesus to get him through this ordeal.
That is the one -- OK! The Bible tells us of the one thief saying, “If you are the Son of God, get yourself down from there.” And the other says, “Don’t you realize what you are saying! He IS the Son of God! You’re blaspheming.” Or, “Shut up!”, so to speak. Jesus recognizes him and says, “You will be with me in Paradise tonight.” Giving his thanks to the one who had come to help him.
The cross is laid on the ground for all three convictions, not just for Jesus, but his is done the same way. The cross is laid on the ground and the man is laid on it and nailed to it. Our pictures (as presented in modern day religious literature) are wrong. As I see the nails going in it is that which is shown on the Shroud of Turin -- the nails are put in through the wrist, not the hands. The cries are horrible; but Jesus utters not a sound! The other two do. As they are -- when the nailing is completed -- how many soldiers? I believe five, take the cross, raise it upright and drop it into the hole which is already prepared. The holes are used time and time again because of the many crucifixions. That brings, not a cry, but an involuntary groan from Jesus. The shock -- when the full weight of the body is put upon the injured hands or arms and feet -- because they do not raise it gently, they raise it and let it drop six to eight inches and they let it drop with a thud that is very painful.
The people that are there -- there are always some who attend the crucifixions -- ghouls, just as people try to get tickets to see someone die in the electric chair so there were people who always went out to see crucifixions. There would also often be members of the families and there were on this occasion. There were also then the members of the Sanhedrin and those who were making sure that this man died. The soldiers are not as callous, as bad -- I am not finding the right word for it -- as they are often depicted. They are young men who have been given orders. They frequently get this detail. Different groups get it at different times and some of them like it. Life was hard then. Life in general was very hard and they were hardened to hardship but even so they did not like this kind of killing. If they were going to kill, they at least wanted it to be in a fight as a soldier. So they distracted themselves in any way.
The people who had come to see, the family in this case, some of the disciples gathering on the fringes, not understanding what was going on. Not understanding at all, why he had allowed himself to be arrested, tried, and now killed. Because they were so sure that he could save himself.
There are doubts in their minds now. “Why! I was so convinced that he was the Lord, the Son of God, the Messiah. But if he is the Messiah and they are doing this to HIM, then there is no hope! Ho hope in the world! At all, for any Jew, ever! I know he was the Messiah and he has been killed!” This is the feeling throughout that crowd, most of them who have believed in him.
Let us look now at Beth and Mary. Yes, Lazarus is with them too. There are a number more there than are mentioned in the Bible. They are kept back at a bit of distance from the crosses. Partly for crowd control so that they cannot rush the soldiers and rescue someone. This is not just because of Jesus -- this is always the pattern. I am not much good on distances, but probably 30 feet, 20 feet maybe. Anyway back from the foot of the cross. This is as close as they are allowed.
Oh, this is interesting! They have deliberately separated themselves around the periphery. Jesus is on the middle cross and the other two are not set back as our pictures usually show them because to us Jesus was the important one but to those soldiers he was no more important than the others. They are set more or less in a row. So that the people are in a large oval around the three crosses and Beth, Lazarus and one of the disciples -- which one?
Peter is close to them but he is not right with them. John is with Mary in front of the cross. Mary Magdalene is in front. Elizabeth is there with Mary -- that was John the Baptist’s mother. Martha is with Lazarus and Beth back of the cross. The man in whose house the Last Supper was held is in front. Nicodemus is in front. Well, I won’t get more of that. The point of it is that they have deliberately placed some on each side of him.
Some of those -- OK, Mary and Elizabeth knew what was going on. Beth and Lazarus knew what was going on. There were two on each side. They were using every bit of psychic power that they had -- to control themselves of course. Particularly for Mary. But also to feed him all the blessing and power that they could to let him handle this in the way that he wanted to do it.
OK. This was very, very important to them -- that he die when he wanted to die. They (the soldiers) did not, in one sense of the word, kill him! He DIED! He died before there was the -- would have been the normal death from crucifixion. This is what is meant in the Bible when they -- normally they would hasten the death by breaking the legs and letting the body fall, letting it hang suspended. Jesus was already dead and they did not break the legs because of this. The guards -- those soldiers knew when he was dead. They had done hundreds of crucifixions and they knew when a man was dead. There is no way that anyone can study and learn very much about this and really believe that he was put in the tomb in a coma.
There have been questions about the blood and the water that flowed from his side when they -- instead of breaking his legs, one of the soldiers thrust a spear into his side and there was blood and water issued forth and people have wondered what this was. The fluid in that area -- the same thing as edema when the feet swell is water, not blood -- and that type of water collection was a normal part of a crucifixion and helped to bring about the death. So there was the blood from a cut and the fluids which were collecting in the body cavity that came forth at the time of the spearing.
Oh, the tremendous feeling of relief for Beth, and I can feel it through her, for the others, when they knew that Jesus had been able to release the spirit from the body. The tremendous relief when they realized that Jesus had remained in control and had allowed himself -- had made the separation himself. All through the centuries, the blame here and the blame there has been totally unwarranted of course, because HE died. HE brought about the death. HE separated the spirit from the body. It was a true physical death, but it was under his control rather than under the control of the soldiers who did the crucifixion.
There is a let-down, an anti-climax that is almost to the point of collapse for these people. They must go through the hurried routine; of the burial of the body that can be done that evening with the Sabbath coming and the observing of the religious laws of their time. Because they were good Jews and they did obey the laws -- most of them -- we know that Jesus ate of the wheat from the field which broke some of their laws, but in general they observed the laws of their religion honestly and strictly. They would not desecrate the Sabbath so the body had to be removed and given a quick preparation and burial.
What did these people do? Mary went to the home of John, I believe, as Jesus said that she should. There was quite a congregation that went to Lazarus’ home. This had been one of the meeting places. Some of them,I don’t know how many, but Beth was one who started a fast following the Passover Feast because they had eaten of it also, in commemoration of God’s help in their escape from Egypt, making this a very meaningful Passover as they requested God’s help in this trial also. But some of them started a fast immediately after the Passover meal which lasted until they were sure of the Resurrection.
They remained as much as possible in a deep, deep state of prayer, of meditation, of prayers of petition for God’s blessing, God’s help, giving of their psychic powers to Jesus as the spirit went through the experiences which it had, which evidently were simply as they are given in the Bible. Although, the descent into Hell, for instance, is not Hell as we picture it, not as we have been taught. Fire and brimstone was not what they meant but we won’t go into that now.
Those in the know did stay in a state of prayer and fasting. Now, remember that Beth and Mary and Lazarus knew that Jesus intended to return from that grave so we can understand why there was an early rising on that Sunday morning which was the first day of the week after the Sabbath was over. Beth did not go to the cemetery. She remained in prayer. It was not until word was brought back that she knew, except telepathically, that they had accomplished their mission. That he had brought his own body back to life.
That body did lay there as a dead body until that Sunday morning. The body was not raised until Sunday morning. That’s interesting, but of course that’s why they had to know if he could bring Lazarus back. If he was going to bring his own body back Friday night or whenever it was then he didn’t need to know if he could do it after three days. OK, it was that Sunday morning that the body was raised. And this was what Beth was aware of....
Oh, my, I can see her. She s not kneeling. She is in a chair in a -- I guess we would call it an altered state of consciousness -- in such deep meditation, prayer, that she is almost into a deep trance and she sees the body getting up from the slab, from the -- standing! This she is seeing telepathically. She gets the word later but she had been sure from that time. So -- now does she wait for the -- no, when she gets it telepathically she gets up, gets her sandals on -- she was barefoot -- and hurries from the house.
There was a meeting that morning of the men -- of the ones that they had been able to get word to and it was to that group that the ones who had gone to the grove went to and told them that the tomb was empty. Beth knows where that meeting is and she hurries there and gets there soon after it has been announced to them that Jesus is alive. The shock, the bewilderment, the amazement among the group there -- mostly the disciples and some of the other close followers -- is almost unbelievable. They turn to Beth as one of those who might know, for confirmation and she says, “Yes” -- that that is why she is here. Because she has “seen” it too. They knew of her mental telepathy abilities and she tells them that this is why she has come.
But it is still very difficult for many of them to believe. As it would be for us. If joy, amazement, vibrations, could lift a roof off the building, this one would really be going off of the place where the disciples are and where they have been told of this.
Do you have questions that have come to your mind? That we might check on and find out about? (Long pause.) Well, one thing that someone asked earlier today might be of interest to us because of the bits and things that have come out recently about Jesus and what happened to him following the resurrection. The body that Jesus had, that the disciples saw, that all of them saw and touched, was a physical body just as real as yours and mine but because of the state of mastery, the state of learning, the perfection that Jesus had reached, he was able to control the physical matter in such a way that he could walk through doors and this sort of thing.
Most of us have heard, I am sure, and some of you may understand what they mean when they talk about all of the atoms being in movement and so forth. And that the cells of the door are in movement and with that complete mastery then the one can be moved through and about the other even though they both seem solid to those of us who do not have this mastery. But Jesus was in this perfected body. Now he is not the only one that can have this kind of a body. At the time of the Second Coming there will be many of the elder brothers who will come back with similar bodies. They will simply manifest at the given moment. They will simply materialize but they will be flesh and blood bodies. That is the way in which it was done. He was not even the first to do that. That is a type of mastery that had been known for many years in parts of the East where he had studied. That was not truly a part of his spiritual perfection that allowed him to be Christed. It was a part of the psychic mastery of the world of matter. It is, none the less, marvelous for that fact, but it is none the less, a psychic phenomenon rather than spiritual development.
I believe that I am seeing this as Beth but Jeanette thinks it is a little bit difficult to distinguish for sure. Jesus did not remain on the earth. There was no reason for him to remain on the earth. He himself said that his followers would be able to do much more after he was gone because he would send the Holy Spirit to them. He said that this could not be done while he was on the earth so this would mean that if he had remained on the earth then the Holy Spirit would not have been in evidence on the earth among the disciples. And we definitely know from the Book of Acts that it was, because they were filled with a different kind of spirit and action.
Also among the karmic laws (and Beth knew them from a different angle than Jeanette knows them because she had studied them in Egypt and Persia and elsewhere) but both Beth and Jeanette believe that the karmic laws would make it not worth the risk of Jesus remaining on the earth as an incarnate and possibly incurring negative karma when it was not necessary. So there is no evidence that I can find either from the past life recall or from any other information in my mind that I can find that would indicate that he remained or returned as an incarnate.
Wonder what Beth ate when she first broke her fast? She ate a piece of lamb and a piece of home-made bread. That is what she ate when she broke her fast. Just a bit of human interest that we might find there.
PHOEBE: After the body was not in the tomb, became a more perfected body, then he just had control of it, or where it went therefore, thereafter.
JEANETTE: Yes. It was a physical body but so totally under his control....(a remark from Phoebe which could not be understood on the tape.) Yes. Right. And it is the body in which he will appear at the time of the Second Coming. That’s something isn’t it? Two thousand years later -- it is the same body It must be a perfected body! (Another remark from Phoebe.) Yes, at least you and I believing already would take it as such. I don’t know if someone who was a non-believer would see it that way.
ROGER: If he comes back in the same body will the evidence of the Crucifixion be upon the body?
JEANETTE: That’s and interesting question! Let’s see. (Pause.) No! Because not even as scars -- because scars represent -- scars on the soul represent non-forgiveness kinds of things. There will be no scars even, because that has been wiped out. There is no blame, no nothing left of it! It is an empty tomb, an empty cross; and empty, unblemished skin as symbolic of the total forgiveness. That’s interesting because the evidence was there at the time of the resurrection. Any other questions?
?: Could you find out anything about the Shroud of Turin? Why it was found?
J: Oh, yes, thank you! I wanted to have a look at that too! Evidence, evidentials shall we say -- that which helps to bring belief. OK, I am being shown Doubting Thomas and his need to feel the wounds. But he was one of the trusted, trained disciples! So there is no blame, no hard-feelings, because those of us down through the ages need evidentials sometimes. Let’s see if we can see how the body was prepared.
Let me get back with Beth. [Pause] All right there’s a bit of a question that I saw the other day about the shroud as it is represented by the Shroud of Turin and the biblical information that the head cloth was laid separately from the other material and there was a cloth put on the head in some way because of the blood from the crown of thorns. Would it have represented the hat that the Jewish man always wore? The yarmulke. But they didn’t wear yarmulkes then, did they? Maybe they did. Let me see. It had a symbolic meaning of some sort. They didn’t take time to do the full mummy-type wrapping that they often did. That they did with Lazarus, for instance.
The cloth was laid down, he was laid on it -- the body was, and the piece was placed on his head, the cloth was brought over the top -- [Pause]. As Mary lays that cloth on his head, on the head of the body, she says, “You will soon be crowned with a crown of LIGHT!” And the white cloth represented that crown of light. And Mary, herself, his mother, put that on the body. And Mary is either a soul mate or a twin soul to -- the souls of Jesus and Mary are that close and this was one of the reasons that she could be used for his entry. So she was both his mother and one of the closest on the soul level that can be to the man Jesus. So there were tremendous ties there.
So there was this benediction as she placed the cloth -- the extra cloth -- on the head as the crown of light and a part of the reason -- the way the Shroud of Turin is, was evidently quite unusual but just as the robe was of one piece, had been woven without a seam because of the symbology of it, they had taken this material which was without a seam -- was long enough without a seam for the shroud for the same kind of yarmulke.
Of course, they knew there was not time, but also those who were close enough and in charge, knew that there was no need for the kinds of wrappings that they usually did.
Roger: I believe we have done as much as we should do now.
J: Yes. Beth was seeming to indicate that too. I will ask you to bring me out of the trance now.